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Psalm 12:6 Explained KJV Only Refuted

 


There are heretical groups out there that teach the King James version of the bible was holy spirit inspired by God and it is without "any" error. That is a foolish and unbiblical view which I prove. I have a article link below that shows you MANY reasons why I can and do easily refute that false mindset.  


For this brief article, I want to cover a bible verse these false men use to say the KJV is God's perfect inspired Word. They will often twist and mis-quote this verse:

Psalm 12:6

The words of the Lord are pure words: as silver tried in a furnace of earth, purified seven times.

Based on this verse, some of them go on to say their has been "7 English bible translations" and the KJV is thus, the 7th and pure Word of God. This is mere heretical, scripture twisting and non sense as I  will explain for you:

1) First; this verse does not even say that God's Word is purified 7 times. Read it and you will see it says; as silver is purified 7 times and that is how silver is made via a purifiying process. (silver was known to be very pure in King Davids time so he used it as a reference of pure) 

See this article on good study vs this bag study habit:

http://spiritandtruthdiscernment.blogspot.com/2014/02/how-to-correctly-study-bible-eisegesis.html


2) There has been about 450 translated English bibles NOT just 7

3) At the time of this verse written by David, the KJV bible did NOT come along for roughly about another 2500 years  

4) If they claim ONLY in English is God's Word made pure, what about all the other cultures that have translations in their own tongue? This means their bibles are NOT pure or true so God only cares about the English speaking world, not ALL men! How wicked, foolish and heretical to believe such things. 

5) Even the KJV translators said in the preface they were ONLY doing a translation, NOT a inspired perfect work. 

6) This twisting of Psalm 12:6 is a NEW ill theology that came out of the Seven Day Adventists and through the false Baptist faith system today.

 So what does this verse really mean then you may ask me?

Read on to verse 7

Thou shalt keep them, O Lord, thou shalt preserve them from this generation for ever.

It simply means that God promised to keep His word pure/preserved for generations to come and He has done just that. (look into the vast Old Testament evidence/ 24000 New Testament manuscripts that back up God's Holy Word as true and accurate far above ANY known human writing) 

Glory to God for this great work!

While we can look to the KJV as a good translation, it is the ORIGINAL languages of Greek and Hebrew that we can use to test it fully. These false men say all you need is a English dictionary and that is another lie. (see the link below for proof against that)

The KJV does has some failures/errors that we can easily correct to have the pure truth of God's Word. 

Example: it uses the pagan word EASTER....

(again see the KJV Only link below) 

If we are Bereans like Acts 17 (testing all things 1 Thess 5) vs just believing what false (mostly Baptist types today say) we can easily see the truth of this heresy/lie stated about Psalm 12:6 and the KJV ONLY cultists. 

Do not be deceived by man made religion and its MANY false ways like KJV Onlyism. It is nothing more then another false cult mindset (out of false religious systems) in these last days full of false teachers as Jesus warned about. see Matthew 24  

Here is the article that refutes the KJV ONLY cult/heresy giving much more proof to help you:

http://spiritandtruthdiscernment.blogspot.com/2017/02/there-is-group-of-people-mostly-baptist.html

See our resources to help you in the faith below esp the gospel. 

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King James Only Exposed as a Cult!



                            Cult Alert

There is a group of people (mostly baptist types) that believe the King James bible was not just translated into English but that God specially inspired it "perfect" in English. This is a silly lie and NO scripture is found to back up their false claims! They are so blind and zealous for this false way... it is amazing when we encounter it.

Thus they are called the cult of KJV only!!

We have some questions and facts that will help you see through this lie and so we present the following for your own testing and study:

If you study the history of this false belief of KJVO you will find it has VERY recent roots and was not even around when the KJV bible was made. Where did this false way come from you ask?

KJVO Historical facts:

It started in the cult of 7 Day Adventism in the 1900's, then it was rehashed and rewritten about by various Baptist types in later years and several books published about it made it more main stream today. Do your own research and when you do, you will see it is like many false cults (mormons and jehovah witness) it was invented by men, not that long ago. So we ask; why would God's true people follow it today as truth when it is of a man?

Did you know that King James gave the translators rules to follow in some cases so they would translate in a way to help his hold onto his power? ( do your own research as it is true!!!)

Moving on:
We have questions for the KJVO cult members that none have really taken the time to answer for us.

If the King James bible is inspired by God.....

*Why did the translators say they were not inspired by God they just wanted a better translation?

*Why is 80% of the KJV taken from the earlier English bibles?

*Why did it first contain the apocrypha books like the pagan roman catholic bible... till they were removed?

*Why was it redone via new editions to fix errors in:
1613, 1629, 1638, 1644, 1664, 1701, 1744, 1762, and 1769?

*Why does it call the Holy Spirit ( a real person of the Trinity) "it" in John 1:32; Romans 8:16, 26; and 1 Peter 1:11?

*Why does it wrongly use the word Easter in Acts 12:4?

*It wrongly uses the term "God forbid" many times in the NT.

*Why in Acts 20:28 does it use the word Bishop vs overseer which is correct. ( fact: King James wanted to lift up the clergy to give him more power )

*Why does it often use the word minister vs the correct word- servant?
(Fact: again King James wanted to beef up the clergy class who reported to him for his own power.)

*Why is the word church used incorrectly vs the correct word ...assembly? ( Fact: this also helps the King remain in power via his false church of England vs Gods called out ekklesia )

See this article on church vs biblical ekklesia and it will open your eyes!!!
http://spiritandtruthdiscernment.blogspot.com/2017/01/church-vs-biblical-ekklesia.html

*Why does it says "modest apparel" in 1 Tim 2:9 not "neat and orderly robes" as the Greek does?

*Why did they mis-translate Hebrews 13 about obeying those who rule over you? (Fact: this too helps the Kings power)

*Why were most of the translators believers in baby baptism that saves you? This is a false gospel and accused per Galatians 1:8

*Why dont KJVO culters use the "old English" bible today vs the revised "newer English" KJV bible?

*Why do KJV ONLY culters wrongly use Psalm 12:6 to say its about the KJV. This article link exposes that idea:

The truth is that the KJV didnt show up till 1611. The KJVO culters today will tell you by their beliefs that there was not any accurate English truth for those believers from 1524 to 1611? (around the time of the reformation) This is a lie as history shows other English bibles did exist and the KJV was made by using those other English bibles as well.

Finally; the man himself (King James) is questionable as well to have a bible named after himself. (if any man should name Gods Word after himself anyway???) Many in history claim he was a drinker, a pagan mason and even a homosexual as well? Do your own research on that.

All of this makes you see how foolish it is to claim a HOLY God specially inspired the KJV vs in truth; it was just another translation of His already inspired Holy Word.

Note: we do use KJV and it is not a bad translation no... but it must be tested to the original Greek and Hebrew as it has issues as we have shown you.

See the Baptist faith exposed here:


We hope you see that this cult like way has been exposed as false and you must reject it and those who teach it inline with Romans 16:17.

We leave you with God's true word:

nor give heed to fables and endless genealogies, which cause disputes rather than godly edification which is in faith. Now the purpose of the commandment is love from a pure heart, from a good conscience, and from sincere faith, from which some, having strayed, have turned aside to idle talk, desiring to be teachers of the law, understanding neither what they say nor the things which they affirm.”
1 Tim 1:4-7

But avoid foolish disputes, genealogies, contentions, and strivings about the law; for they are unprofitable and useless.
Titus 3:9

See our resources below to help you in truth....

God be praised

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Answering a Email on KJV Only and Trinity



Here is a email from South Africa (a new believer)  with various questions that I answer. See his email and my answers with ***** by my words to edify all and he agreed for me to answer it this way

Note: we already went over the gospel path to life together. 

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 My concern is that everyone when they preach they go on to quote a few bible verses:  Example : Luke then the sermon continues a bit then they will quote something out of  Daniel then Hebrews and Psalms. ( just used as examples). 

***** We must learn to rightly divide the word as Paul says in 2 Tim 2;15 but most twist it and distort it these days and always have really. 

But as they go on they say things like Hebrews are not for us today. It was written for the Hebrews at that appointed time or they will say that Daniel was about the prophet's sending warnings to God's people at that appointed time period.
  
So if all these books were written to the people of Israel, Hebrews, Gentiles, church's, saints and so on at That appointed time, then that would imply that the other books written for us today Romans - Philemon,( taught as the dispensation of grace period) that it is also not for us because; 
Romans were written to the Romans at that   point of time - not for us.Corinthians was a letter to the church of Corinth at that point of time - not for us today.
Ephesians was written to the saints which were at Ephesus also at that appointed time, so again not for us today and so on it goes...
How confusing it is for a new Believer?

**** This would be heretical dispensationalist's who have corrupt theology. They twist the Word so they can stay in sin and false ways. If you just read God's Word and only learn from men who have holy lives and sound gospel theology; you will not get caught up in these false man made ways. I tell people get off the internet of following of many ministries and get in the Word! Most on the internet are false teachers. If you met a man who will talk and be tested and is biblical then you unite to them but do not take teaching from men who wont speak with you one on one. We can refute them easily as a example:
in 1 Cor 1 it says it is for all bodies everywhere that call on the Lord.   
Then you mentioned that the KJV is only a good translation because it has many flaws & wrong translations and is just another translation of his already Inspired Holy Word and we need to test it to the Original Greek & Hebrew by using the lexicon.

*** Yes KJV is solid but it has various areas that leave the truth bu the original languages help us get to truth. See my article on KJV at the end of this post. 
So this will mean that the English bibles we have today are nothing but a story book & if we don't  have a physical book that is without error containing God's words, we have a defective foundation. (how can anyone believe a bible that is not accurate and not God inspired) ?  

**** No not at all as 99 percent of KJV is accurate but there are areas that it needs help like 1 Tim 2:9 the word modest is a terrible translation as it show be neat orderly robes; big difference! This builds u Gods Word vs tearing it down as we get to the real meaning in Greek or Hebrew.

If I didn't know any better I would say something in the lines of.... OH my goodness God can't even get His word right or even preserve it in the english bible what a waste 
(He might have with the previous versions but we don't have it today and if we could get it then it will be to costly to afford, and will also be a copy of a copy and with 
many errors as well )

**** This is what it means to study and rightly divide. Today even more corrupt translations are out like the Message bible removing sin and homosexuality. We can be in truth if we go back to the original languages to see the true intent of God. KJV is NOT exempt from error and the KJV only cult is a new thing that came along a few decades ago. Even the translators said they were doing s better TRANSLATION not a INSPIRED word. 
Then it means that God has not preserve his Word

**** Yes he has ..... we have manuscripts of Greek and Hebrew that show the truth He gave us.

It is not God inspired

*** The KJV is NOT God inspired it is just a translation. The inspired Word came many centuries ago. Sadly it is men taught you this lie, NOT the Word of God, amen? Who are you getting truth from really?

We have half a gospel & not the full word of God

***No, as I said the KJV is solid for most all of it but some areas need help. Don't toss out the baby in the bath water amen?

This also makes God a liar which we all know that he cant lie.

**** No sir, God never said the KJV was inspired or perfect did He. He said His word would be preserved and it was. Did you know the bible is the most documented and accurate writing in all of mans history by far. It has like 24000 manuscripts to back it up vs the next closest hing has like 700. 

The Bibles are not infalible and nothing more than a Story book......  This alone is a concern and a very good argument for Atheism.!!! 

*** No that is not true. The bible in a good translation (KJV is good not perfect)  is the eternal Word of God. If we just seek truth and look to the original languages we can get at all truth. In John 14 and 16 Jesus said the spirit will teach us all truth. This comes via the word and spirit.  
The ” Lexikón'' is first used for the dictionary of the pagan man Photius, the 9th-century Byzantine scholar, lexicographer, and patriarch of Constantinople ( From Roman catholic origin) ... ** So how can we truly know that his translation is correct and not corrupt like the Catholics like to do.? 

**** We just look to their Greek and Hebrew translation of words....not any mans commentary. Then we see the depth and meaning of the words in the original languages. We can then cross check its meanings to other scholars to see if it is consistent. Like the word church in English vs ekklesia in Greek. Its a bad translation  Example: if you need life saving surgery and 20 top surgeons all agree on the situation; you have great evidence. But if half disagree, you may see a problem. You do not know surgery but you can know by a cross section of men who are well versed in that field. I can do that same with Greek and Hebrew even; if I I do not speak it. All the evidence is weighed in on; NOT just accepting what any one man says.   

Most people also use the Strong's concordance to translate the Hebrew and Greek just similar to the original Lexicon ( Strongs was also a pagan Methodist theologian & professor ).. Also unreliable.

**** No not at all. See my message above as we can cross check it for words only not commentary. I find strongs in the word translation area is solid but avoid their commentary and other materials, as it has a evangelical bent. 
 
You also spoke about the oneness gospel being a lie & then illustrate why the Trinity is correct.( started with Turtulian with Roman Catholic origins similar to Martin Luther which is believed to have rejected orthodoxy for Montanism ) (Trinity also known as 3 Gods ) 

**** Not true. There is One God in 3  and we see the 3 in 1 all over scripture. See my articles on it below. It is of God not invented by man at all. Example: who is US in Genesis 1:26??? I had a man say he was a oneness expert and challenged me to debate it and he died on my first question ... who is US? He could not answer and he went off into the dark.  

I always say to people if you follow the ways of the world and see what they are preaching on like most believe in the Charismatic movement or the doctrine of the trinity, even modern day Muslims in certain countries believe in the trinity, its being discussed and promoted all over Ytube and other platforms and they say things like the trinity is one of the greatest doctrans of the christian faith which is a lie because there is not one bible verse that says it is and God says we are to be seperated and called out of the world. 

**** As a new believer be careful to speak on what you do not know. The bible says foolish men do this. In love... stop watching youtube for theology and get in the holy word. You will be confused and stumbled as a new believer unless you do. It is not the greatest doctrine no... but it is a doctrine of the true faith. Look at Jesus baptism and see the 3 in 1 as well. (See Matt 3) 
Example : A heretic - Steven Anderson teaches on the trinity intensively, and he goes on to say that he actually prays that people will die and go to Hell because people don't believe in the trinity...  So If we promote the doctrine of the trinity,  are we not following the ways of the world & man made religion ? 

*** Again why are you listening to him as he is a rank, evil, mean spirited total Baptist heretic? Again get off you tube an in the Word. The 3 in 1 is in scripture as my article below proves. (Who is us in Genesis 1:26)
I think I went on long enough and want to thank you for taking the time out to read this email, also thanks again for the good gospel audio.

***You are welcome it is what I do for God and my neighbor in love.

I'm looking forward to hearing from you & please correct me in any way if I am wrong ( how do we know the truth without a teacher, & a correct bible ? I'm still learning so will have more questions later )

**** My best advise to you as a new believer is:
1) to NOT decide on things until you have sought them out for a long time in scripture
2) get off the internet for theology and in the Word. 
3) the things your are struggling with came from man not the Word.
4) I will do a audio on lazy man study ways (no dig on you) as it is common today with the internet. And that is listening to many others you cant be untied to vs study in the Word and sharpening iron with godly holy men you can unite to. I call all who come to me online to unite in the Word together. Most just want to jump around youtube, its easier and they just get stumbled and never grow up. 
5) become a Berean Acts 17 testing all things to the Word. Test me as well of course. I am here to help you in the truth always if truth is your goal.   
Kind regards.


See KJV Only exposed here with various articles: 

See 3 in 1 defended here:


*****God be praised 
Brother James

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