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Church vs the biblical Ekklesia



Matthew 16:18 
And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.

The purpose of this article/teaching is to examine and test the use of the common word most everyone knows today ..... the word is church. 
To be clear the New Testament bible was first spoken by, or to men who knew Greek as their language. The original manuscripts were in Hebrew and Greek. It then had to be translated into English and other languages so it could be read. This article is about one such translation situation and the use of the word 'church'.

Is the word church a true and biblical description of the body that Christ said He would build in Matthew 16? 

Or is it "man's own version of truth" via a poor perverted translation effort meant to control and deceive? 

Is there a better meaning and a greater understanding His born from above people should grasp from the Holy Word to describe His New Testament body?  

We think so.....

We will attempt to answer those questions. Our article on the NT body characteristics will shed more light what the body of Christ really looks like and what is to be; per the written Word of God. Here is the link for it:  http://spiritandtruthdiscernment.blogspot.com/2014/04/characteristics-of-new-testament-body.html


The two words we will focus on for this study/teaching will be the words: church and ekklesia.
(In most modern English translations the word ekklesia was replaced with the word church and it has been accepted as accurate truth, but is it?)

Lets begin:

The word Church

As you read the most popular bible translation today (the King James bible) you will see the word church is used often, 112 times to be exact in the New Testament. Here is one example:

Praising God, and having favour with all the people. And the Lord added to the church daily such as should be saved.
Acts 2:47

Again is that really an accurate translation from the original Greek language the word ekklesia? We at dontperish will admit we have been taken in by this false way and we need to correct it and teach people biblically lest we be false teachers. In the past, we used the word church to represent Christ's true body. You will find articles where we used the word church often and we will now need to adjust/edit them for the truth sake. Why? It is the truth and so we repent of it, our digging and testing has revealed this to us but God gets the glory... via His spirit and Word. 

Now to set the point up, here is an example of using the word church....

If you said to someone who was from another country; 'I am part of the "church" of Christ' and they did not full understand all English; they might go to a English dictionary to learn what the word church really means. Here is what they would find in a Websters dictionary.

church:

a building for public and especially Christian worship. 2 : the clergy or officialdom of a religious body. 3 often capitalized : a body or organization of religious believers: as a : the whole body of Christians b : denomination 

Sadly, using the word church; that person from another land would be thinking that you are either a building, a denomination or a man made religious organization/service united with all claimed Christian bodies. Is that really correct for the true New Testament holy body Christ ordained? Or is that a description of false man made religion both Christian and non that we repented of and left? Based on the fact that we at dontperish.com strive to teach exactly what the bible says and keep the NT church model, it would be a lie and sinful to describe Christ's true body as those things linked to the word church. Why you may ask?

1) God does NOT dwell in buildings made by hands so religious buildings are of man today.... not of God.
see Acts 7:48 

2) Man made names and denominations are divisive and sinful per God's Word. 
See 1 Corinthians 1.12 

3) Christ's true church is NOT a organization at all and He is its head ... not any man or group!
see Colossians 1:18

Important note:
If we read Mark 7:6-9 we see that Jesus Himself exposed man made false religious traditions so it cannot be accurate to call His Holy body a man made system. Today the many false ways of denominational evangelical religion like Christmas, easter, worldly music, carnal evangelistic ways and false easy believe gospels are not of God but of sinful man. 
  

As you can see the word church is NOT a good word to use to describe Christ's true body. How did this happen? How were we all fooled for so many years?
Man made ways and religion has a way of deceiving you does it not? Colossians 2:8 tells us this:

Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ.

If we look back in history about the early 1500's we see the first English bible translated by William Tyndale. He never used the word church but he translated ekklesia into 'congregation'. He saw how the ill power of the false lifted up clergy/religious systems had wrongly usurped over people in their pews and over the truth of the bible. He sought to correctly show God's true NT body vs man made false religion of his day. 

He used the term congregation:

an assembly of persons : gathering;  especially :  an assembly of persons met for worship and religious instruction


 While it was a better more biblical translation of ekklesia by Tyndale then the word church used later, in truth it still misses the full mark as we will show you as we go on. 

*** It should be noted....
Tyndale was eventually hunted down and then burned alive at the stake by who? The religious leaders of the day who claimed God. They killed him for going against the MAN ruled clergy/state united church and for striving for the whole truth of Gods Word and Christs true New Testament body. We can appreciate his plight as we have not been killed for our faith yet; but when we stand against man made religion today, we see the anger and hatred for God's full truth as it exposes them and their sins. (See Hebrews 4:12) It was murderous men who founded the denominations of today that had such sinful ways. (See Luther and Calvin both murderous hateful men / we teach about them on our teaching blog.) So before you take these things lightly and mock our teaching as a vain struggle with mere words; you should know men of old died cruelly in the past in defense of holy scripture over those who choose to pervert the truth. This is serious as words do matter.

Jesus said we live by every word from the mouth of God

Matthew 4:4

In 1611 King James of England had his own version of the bible translated and history (as well as many others) that shows he, like other rulers, was interested in the religious people of that day "being under his total authority as King". (He had thrown out the roman pope and James wanted to be a pope onto himself it appears.)  If you read the bible, you will clearly see Christians serve God first and are not to place a man made King above the Lord; so this was very sinful of him. Acts 5.29

While the KJV is not a bad translation in general, it must be tested as we do with every thing. 
1 Thessalonians 5:21 says to test everything. 

There is evidence that King James instructed the translators / encouraged them to use words like  "church" (a man made religious organization/building) so James could indeed rule over them more easily. Using the word church meant people would willingly gather 'at' and 'to' the state run man made religion vs unto Christ alone in holiness. It gave man/King James the power over God and the Word and it was shameful no doubt.

Keep in mind the reformation had just happened in 1513 and the strength of man made denominational religion/traditions of clergy class men was growing. Men were seeking ways to control the masses unto them just like the pagan pope had controlled people in the dark ages to himself. It is easy to rule over people who sit in religious buildings and obey the Kings "hireling lording over pastors" in weekly ritual religion. But it is far harder to rule over God's true holy people who are scattered, reject those false man made ways and just "BE" the obedient body of Christ (ekklesia) house to house in daily life; just like the first century saints did. (That is what we model by the way; it is the true body of Christ.) 

We still see much evidence of this false religion even today as churches are 
indeed run by men, united with the state/worldly, built for sinful man not God, 30,000 unbiblical denominations have spread all over made of men not God, they use compromised/sinful ways to attract people and they are still often placing themselves under the rule of Kings and governments like in America via 501c3 rules, which is all done for money. 

Having said all of this we think it makes a clear case for the word "church" to NOT be a good choice or description of Christ's true body at all. We have shown both the word itself and the reason for using it is NOT of God. His true NT body is FAR different, pure, in all truth and holy vs man made religion/churches that we see.... amen? 
If you need a reminder why, as we said:

God is not in a building today
His people are not of the false religious systems of man who do error/sin
His true body is not run / lorded over by men who control it all from a pulpit, the state or via bloated organizations.

In truth, the word they used in no way means what the biblical word does so it is a lie as we will show you. 

Before we leave the word church and move on to the accurate meaning of Christ's body; let us remind you where the English word church comes from as it may surprise you! 

Church ...
comes from the word kuriakee and it eventually came to mean house/place of the lord because of man's religious building centered mindset. (God no longer dwells in buildings, amen?) 
But in its original form as far back as the Goths it was kirk, meaning a circle. Yes, occult druid pagan religions were the first churches and they did their false ways in church circles. Witches, new age pagans and satanists still use these circles today and they are are also called CHURCHES as they sign up for their 501c3 title with the state run government.

More reason to leave the word church behind for Gods ekklesia and His glory.... we would say!

On to the word Ekklesia and how it is better translated in English for deeper truth as we will show you.


In the original language the word ekklesia is used 115 times in the NT word. Remember every time KJV says church it is the word ekklesia. 

In Matthew 16:18 Jesus said He would build his ekklesia (not church) so what does this word really mean?

In Strong's the word is described this way:
ek #1537 means: out of, and kaleo/klessis #2564/#2821 means.... a calling to

So in truth.... the word ekklesia means to be; called out of and to. 

This fits perfectly with the command to be holy in 1 Peter 1:15 and Hebrews 12:14

Holy means to be set apart for God
(Called out ekklesia and set apart holy ones to God, do you see a pattern here?)

God's Word gives us patterns and examples often:

*Israel was always called out to be of and for God alone

*How about Jesus calling the 12 disciples out of the world and their lives to Himself to follow Him? Another perfect example of called out ones to God.... amen? 

Never called out to man but to God alone! 

Here is a question to ask yourself, have you been called out?
But called out of what you may ask and to who? 

We believers who have by faith, repented and are born from above (see the gospel here: http://www.dontperish.com/the-gospel.html) are His true ekklesia/body. We are called unto Christ and His ways. We are not a man made church but a people made new by His spirit, called out of all sin, the fallen worlds ways and false man made religious systems/churches to be His pure, holy, obedient bride. 

Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing; and I will receive you.
2 Corinthians 6:17

(See other verses like Romans 12:2, Colossians 2:8, Luke 13:3, 1 John 2:15 and James 4:4 ) 

The point is that Christ's body is made of those people who are called out of the world, sin and all false ways to God and they do not keep man made religious ways or its lies. They CANNOT be a church at all in the truest sense. 



Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.
15 For without are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie.

Revelation 22:14-15


Of course we know from the Holy Word that the called out ones (ekklesia) will also gather together for fellowship together if they have each other. We see this when we see gathering in the Old and New Testaments and thus the Word congrate/congregation is also part of a more accurate meaning then the word church; as Tyndale knew. (called out ones to Christ do gather)

I will declare thy name unto my brethren: in the midst of the congregation will I praise thee.
Psalm 22:22

This ekklesia/calling out of (then assembly / congregation) is the biblical and correct meaning for Christ's true body. It is a far cry from the word "church" wrongly placed in the KJV and other English versions that really means a building, a denomination, a religious service, organization or in the very beginning of the English language .... a pagan circle church of false rituals. It was used to deceive and control NOT to further God's kingdom so we stand against it. 

The truth cannot be denied about the word church. Some historians have called it the word that changed the world. 
It is fallen man in his hunger for power and control that perverted God's Word  using a lesser term for deceit ( using the word church vs called out ones.)
Rest assured God's Word can be trusted but we must test what man has done (translations) to keep it pure and accurate... amen?

We need to point out that religion of man (churches) lift up those men, false traditions, buildings and systems. But the called out ones (ekklesia) are focused totally on Christ/truth alone.
 How wonderful and freeing it really is!

We at dontperish have a mission involving this topic,
Regarding the use of the word church; we must repent, change and take every thought captive for Christ.

Casting down imaginations, and every high thing that exalteth itself against the knowledge of God, and bringing into captivity every thought to the obedience of Christ;
2 Corinthians 10:5 

We must retrain our minds, our words and our theology to match the truth; lest we be hypocrites. We will flush it out of our vocabulary and replace it with a more truthful meaning for His glory. The word church is now only meant for man made religion in general while His called out ones ( ekklesia/body ) is for true His born from above obedient holy saints who serve Him alone in truth.

To put it simply: 

*church means.... buildings/systems/organizations and religion made of man

or

*ekklesia means called out holy ones of Christ's true body who obey and follow Him alone. 

We know which ones we want to be on judgement day!!!!!! :) 

Note: We are not saying if you use the word church your not of God. No not at all. We have used it in our ignorance for a long time, not doubt. What we are saying is by learning, repenting, understanding and grasping the truth with its deeper meanings; you will see the divine difference between man made religion/lies and the holy body Christ died for. He shed His blood for this body so getting it right means EVERYTHING! 

Having reviewed the facts: we would like to ask you:

*Are you part of the church in America or around the globe meaning man made buildings and religious ritual ways/lies that have left the truth of God?  

Or..... 

*Are you part of the "called out ones" (ekklesia) who congregate together (if you have others) and have left all false ways to cling to Christ and keep His Holy body that He formed in the first century and who He will return for in the end of days?

Which one are you today and then ask yourself, will it affect your eternal destiny?

If it is the church ( buildings and man made denominational systems) that you keep and belong to today; please read Matthew 7 and the warning about those who do religious ways but Christ will turn them away into hell. Why, because they were lawless and followed not His ways but their own man made ways and lies. 

Matthew 7
 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
24 Therefore whosoever heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them, I will liken him unto a wise man, which built his house upon a rock:
25 And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell not: for it was founded upon a rock.
26 And every one that heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them not, shall be likened unto a foolish man, which built his house upon the sand:
27 And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell: and great was the fall of it.
(iniquity means lawless/unbiblical ways )

We were there once and we left it all. We really want better for you so please read the bible truth at our teaching blog about the true called out body and let us know how we can assist you in God's Word, out of mans religion and into His true called out body.... (the ekklesia of Christ)

If you are united to a church of man (made of men) you are most deceived as we were for years. The good news is that you can repent / turn. If you are His ekklesia (called out ones) you hear His voice and follow it by obeying all of His Word. See John 10:27
We praise God for you all. 

We hope the next time you hear the word "church" this teaching makes you ponder truth over false ways of man. After all Jesus is the truth see John 14:6, so why would we settle for anything less? If you are His called out one by faith and new birth you should feel an amazing thankfulness to be one of His own. If you are of man made religion; in love you need to repent while you still can and get into the light and truth lest you become a Matthew 7 example.   

This is a serious matter and not merely mincing over words. People in man made pews often believe whatever they are told and they get deceived. True saints of God are Bereans see Acts 17 and test everything for Gods glory. 

Unless you are born into God and keeping that obedient ekklesia/body life as fruit your really His you will perish / die in your sins! 

He has made a way for you, He has called out men to repent. Will you seek out the truth today? We pray you do!

We, the true ekklesia (His called out ones) are here to help you.

See our teaching site here:
http://spiritandtruthdiscernment.blogspot.com/


God be praised

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Church Planting is NOT Biblical

You hear a lot of talk today in man made religious circle/websites (denominational/evangelicalism) about planting churches.  It is the process by which men go out from a religious organization and aim to establish a new church group of their brand or flavor (denomination) where there is none currently.

Is this a biblical principle or one made of man?

To properly answer that question we must understand what a church (that is being planted today) really is?

A church is an "organization or gathering of people" in this case.... to do religious services of man.
Is that even the true biblical body of Christ per God's Word?

No not at all.

Fact:
The word church was wrongly placed into the bible since the 1500's via a poor translation effort of King James. The proper word that Jesus used to describe His body was ekklesia; which means assembly of called out ones.

"Today to call yourself ...a church... puts you in the same groups with pagans, witches, cults and all false man made religion" 

It was NOT a religious organization/denomination at all God designed but it is His people who were following after Christ through their new birth. (John 3:3) God did not ordain man made churches but He called a set apart, holy people to be His own to keep His ways only. There is a big difference here that you must grasp to be in truth.
Note: Please go to this article to see the HUGE difference between man made church and Christ's biblical holy ekklesia:
http://spiritandtruthdiscernment.blogspot.com/2017/01/church-vs-biblical-ekklesia.html

This is a VERY important matter. ( church vs ekklesia)

You can join a man made church anytime as it is made of man but you MUST be born into God's ekklesia through repentance and new birth. Also, it would have been impossible to plant a Christian church (as we know them today) in Jesus day-the first century-as they did NOT exist then. Man invented them in the centuries to come. (4th to 21st centuries/pagan roman catholicism to todays false denominatons)  So based on this fact alone church planting as done today is indeed unbiblical and not found in scripture.  Please read on as there are more points that make it a very false way per God's Word.  

Now that we have established the planting of the church system of man is unbiblical vs God true ekklesia, lets go deeper into the question: Is church/body planting biblical?

Can any man even set out to establish God's body? ( a church/religious group in man's case)

In Acts 2:47 we see this scripture:
Praising God, and having favour with all the people. And the Lord added to the church daily such as should be saved. 

(keep in mind the word church there should be .... assembly of called out ones) 

Here we see it is God alone who builds and grows His ekklesia/ body so a man cannot plant it.
(He can plant false organizations to join though.)

Jesus said this is in Mathew 16:18
upon this rock I will build My church; and the gates of Hades will not overpower it. 
(church meaning...assembly of called out ones)

Here we see Jesus say He will build His body, not any man!

"Man builds his false religious systems but ONLY God builds His true ekklesia/body"

Note: We often hear modern pastors claim THEY and THEIR efforts built their church and it may be true. But it is NOT the true called out ones of Christ but a man made gathering for religious services.
Do you see the difference? Those people are following man made religion NOT Jesus Christ in spirit and truth see John 4:24.

The next issue is that man made religion will claim that Christ told them to go plant churches but did He say that? No, you won't find it in scripture. They will try to twist God's Word but it is a lie.

In Matthew 28 Jesus said this:
Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, and teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you. And surely I am with you always, to the very end of the age.”

Jesus in no way is commanding "church planting" of man but He is commanding the Apostles preach the gospel and make disciples. (A true disciple follows Jesus Christ NOT man made religion.)
If that is done biblically, God then gathers His people into His true body ( ekklesia ) and they will obey and keep His ways, thus His true body is created. 

Man setting out to create something makes it made of man and thus it is NOT of God.

In the book of Acts you will find the word Christian used only twice but the word disciples 30 times. 
This is telling........
To be a disciple of Christ means you are born of Him and you follow Him and His ways alone not man's ways. Today the average American Christian is following man made religion via a denomination or organization that has left or never had the fullness of truth. This is also very telling is it not?

The fact is Jesus never commanded "church planting" at all but He commanded preaching the gospel and making disciples.
( His body/ekklesia then follows naturally via Him and His spirit NOT man made efforts  via church planting) This is why you see thousands of false denominations and organizations all over the world but ONLY one true body of Christ...His ekklesia. 

Next, many will try to say the Apostle Paul was a church planter. Again this is a lie as man made churches (as we know them today) DID NOT EVEN EXIST in Paul's day. Paul was a man who focused on preaching the gospel just as Jesus commanded Him to do. It is ALL over His epistles in holy scripture and here is one example:

Romans 1
Paul, a servant of Christ Jesus, called to be an apostle and set apart for the gospel of God— the gospel he promised beforehand through his prophets in the Holy Scriptures regarding his Son, who as to his earthly life was a descendant of David,  and who through the Spirit of holiness was appointed the Son of God in power by his resurrection from the dead: Jesus Christ our Lord.

Do a word search in the epistles on the word 'gospel' and it will show you what Paul was preaching and focused on.

Today religious men go into a area, they set up a religious system (often a building with programs/entertainment) then invite people (the world ) to come and attend their religious services. 
This is a church but it is false and of man made religion. 
You will not find Apostle Paul inviting anyone into a man made "religious services" but he did call men of the world to repent via the gospel and be made new in Christ. (See Acts 17) Then as they were discipled in truth; God alone formed and grew His body in His holy assemblies, the ekklesia. 

Do you again see the big difference here between man made religion/church and God's true ekklesia/called out ones?

Men ask you to conform to their religious system but God calls men to conform to His ways, not mans.

A bible verse todays church planters will use to say Paul planted churches is 1 Cor  3:6
I have planted, Apollos watered; but God gave the increase. So then neither is he that planteth any thing, neither he that watereth; but God that giveth the increase.
 Correct bible study shows Paul was NOT planting churches at all. What he was planting was the gospel in men and others watered it. And who does the increase per Paul in that same verse? God.
It is God who established His ekklesia/body, not men. 

****If you study history you will see the entire bloated and corrupt system of modern man made religion (roman catholic to evangelicalism) was contrived, created and put in place by man ( popes and Luther and today's modern pastors) NOT God so it is void of His full truth and it is NOT His ekklesia. 

Our website: www.dontperish.com is all about exposing this truth to those who claim Christ.

These church planters will also tell you that you must be "sent from another body" just as Paul was to plant churches. The problem here is in context Paul was sent by a true biblical ekklesia body in Acts, not a false man made one of today. Context matters folks. Mormons and Jehovah Witnesses send men out to go and spread their ill ways too. This in no way makes them legitimate does it? If they are in biblical error/apostasy ( like evangelicalism is today) they must be rejected. (see Romans 16:17 ) 

If you want to see biblically go read Acts 15:35-36 and you will see what Paul was up to in His efforts:
Paul also and Barnabas continued in Antioch, teaching and preaching the word of the Lord, with many others also. And some days after Paul said unto Barnabas, Let us go again and visit our brethren in every city where we have preached the word of the Lord, and see how they do.
They were not setting up religious systems,  they were preaching the Word then God grew His ekklesia as He saw fit, not any man or religious group. (Later elders were installed to over see NOT lord over the ekklesia like modern day pastors do today.)

If you study church planting you will find it is a fairly new "tactic of religious man" to help spread his many flavors of so called Christianity but it lacks the truth of God's Word and ways so it must be rejected as false. One example we saw recently includes this as a Nebraska church plant:

A man called a pastor goes into a new town sent by another group of his flavor, gets a building set up, gets a music band, advertises all over, offers free food at a open house, puts on music shows/childrens programs, offers races cars and face painting...all if you show up to his church services. Over time they add to their offerings with comedy clubs, chocolate fountains and pool parties and of course they sit and preach some of God's Word in timed out man made services. (Then they watch football and movies together)
They aim at the worldly people, they entertain them and tell them to come relax be yourself and God loves you no matter what. They make it fun, relevant and appealing to the masses in their town. Often they link with public schools and worldly associations to network and grow. They gain in attendance from 50 people to 100 and beyond and they teach their false seeker sensitive ways of pagan holidays, ritual worldly faith, men idle in pews under hirelings and watered down gospels that cannot save anyone. 

See this article about man made religious church entertainment today: http://spiritandtruthdiscernment.blogspot.com/2017/05/are-you-not-entertained.html

This they call modern church planting. It is shameful!!!

Oh ...this may grow people in pews, create bigger buildings, more programs and larger evangelical groups/denominations, but it does NOT create or grow the true holy body of Christ ( ekklesia). 
It grows religious people and false converts headed for hell and that is why we speak out. 

At Dontperish.com we are blessed to be His called out ekklesia. How about you?

Are you part of the true ekklesia/called out holy ones of God headed for heaven with fruit of obedience? Hebrews 5:9 

Or are you part of man made religion headed to wrath via your sin, false ways and disobedince? See 2 Thessalonians 1:8

We hope this short study will help you to see the continued lies/false ways of man made churches via this unbiblical practice of so called church planting. 

It is NOT of God! ( Jesus rejected man made traditions in Mark 7 and so should you if you claim Him )

Go here to see the biblical gospel:

Go here to see the characteristics of the true NT body of Christ:


God be praised

How Do I Find a Good Church?

This is a common question many who want to please God will ask.

Before we can answer this question for you we must correct a common error that man made evangelical/denominational religion has propagated over the centuries.

The evangelical/denominational Sunday church systems you see today in America on every street corner are NOT ordained by God but they are all  man created. They look and function nothing like the early first century body that Christ ordained. Are you also aware the word 'church' is a perversion of the real meaning of God's true body? Man makes "churches" indeed but ONLY God calls out His holy people unto Him.

The word church means a religious system, organization and a gathering of such. The King James bible added it when it should not have and early english bibles used the correct word ekklesia.

In the bible the correct word for God's people is ekklesia in the Greek. It means called out ones.

In short; you can join a church made of man anytime but you must be BORN into God's true body and how they gather and operate are VERY different indeed. To know and please God you must be in His ekkelsia not man made religion.
Go to this link and read about the word church vs ekklesia:
http://spiritandtruthdiscernment.blogspot.com/2017/01/church-vs-biblical-ekklesia.html   

Moving on, once you understand who God's true people are vs man made religion you can now get to the question:

How Do I Find a Good Church?

Our website dontperish.com is full of articles to WARN you about man made religion so the first thing we will tell you is this:

 you will not find all truth in these places made of man.


Go to this link and see MANY reasons why evangelical / demonational religion is NOT of God and should be avoided per God's Holy Word and ways if you desire to please the Lord:
http://spiritandtruthdiscernment.blogspot.com/2017/05/why-we-left-sunday-church.html

By now you may be saying; well then what are we to do....we have to go to church right?

Well we must expose another man made lie for you. The scripture dont forsake the gathering of yourselves together (Hebrews 10:25) is OFTEN used to beat you into the mindset that you must go to church. It is a lie! Actually that entire area of scripture is about gathering unto Christ not gathering in a Sunday building to do rituals of man. Go to these articles part 1 and 2 that teach the truth and expose this lie. http://spiritandtruthdiscernment.blogspot.com/2014/02/do-not-foresake-gathering-hebrews-1025.html

Now that we know you should not be in sinful man made Sunday religion and that you need not attend Sunday ritual services, we can get to real truth. Actually the answer is NOT in going to any church but in BEING His ekklesia ( called out ones)  daily as you live your every day life. That is real worship and this article explains why God desires biblical worship; not made up worship services of man:
http://spiritandtruthdiscernment.blogspot.com/2016/02/is-worship-service-in-bible.html

You may say 'but didn't the early saints in the bible gather together to sing and pray and teach the word'?

Yes they did but it was not what you find in man made religion every Sunday. They gathered to sing some, pray some and they mostly taught the Word in an open participatory gathering where many men spoke, not just a paid hireling modern pastor. They were spirit led, met house to house and they clung to God's Word not man made false ways. Here is a link that explains how they functioned:
http://spiritandtruthdiscernment.blogspot.com/2016/12/life-in-true-new-testament-church.html

Hopefully you can now see the grave difference between attending man made religion and the true NT body of God's ekklesia?

The answer is to finding a church is really found in these important points:
*Church is of man but the ekkelsia is called of God.
*If you're born of God you cannot go to sinful man made church religion as your angering God.
*Your worship is your everyday life not a timed out ritual service of man.
*You are NOT under ANY biblical command to attend a church worship service.
*If you are His and you have other true believers, you can gather in homes and allow God to guide you (eventually men should step up and elders will be in place to over see, NOT lord over.)
*If you're alone without another true ekklesia believer near you; you must cling to God and He will train you up by His Word and His spirit. (To compromise and join man made ways is to sin before God.)

In love we would encourage all the true ekklesia to STOP looking for a church as you won't find one in a building made of man. Stop listening to radio and tv preachers and sermons of the evangelical fasle teachers. Study the Word and just BE His body daily in obedience and only gather with other true saints keeping the traditions handed down via God's Word.

2 Thessalonians 2:15
Therefore, brothers, stand fast, and hold the traditions which you have been taught, whether by word, or our letter.

To go off and keep man made Sunday religious ways is sin and Jesus dealt harshly with that in Mark7:6-9


Our website is there to help you in the Lord's true ekklesia body life. Contact us if you need help in living out the biblical body at home and we will help you all we can to BE His body right where you are and grow in His word and wisdom.

God be praised

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7 Reasons to Trust the Pre Trib Rapture by Andy Woods.. Refuted!



Pre Trib


                                              REFUTED!!!!

There is a free grace bible teacher named Andy Woods who made a video called "7 reasons to Trust in the Pre Trib Rapture". 

Here is a article that exposes the pre trib rapture:
https://spiritandtruthdiscernment.blogspot.com/2017/08/pre-trib-rapture-is-lie.html

Woods is a modern pastor and he teaches the lie of free grace ( getting eternal life guaranteed without the changed life / evidence of holiness and obedience as fruit your of God, not works.)

Go here to listen to this at John424 radio
http://www.dontperish.com/john-424-radio-audio.html
( use control F and search 7 reasons to trust in pre trib rapture refuted )

Mr. Woods calls himself a doctor and is out of Sugar Land Bible church. We tested them and they fail the test of a true biblical NT body. See this link:

https://bewareoffalse-unbiblicalteachers.blogspot.com/2017/07/sugar-land-bible-church-tested-to-gods.html

See an article on that belief of free grace refuted here:

http://spiritandtruthdiscernment.blogspot.com/2017/07/free-grace-theology-refured.html

Note: we have reached out to Woods but never heard back from him.....


When studied you will find that a pre trib rapture is an invention of man.  It came along in the 1800's and has grown a lot in recent years. 


Since we believe God's Word and not these false highly educated men; we decided to test what Woods says to God's Word regarding pre trib. When we did that his idea of 7 reasons to trust in this man made theology go right out the biblical window. Read on as we take each of the 7 reasons and take you through why he is wrong and in great biblical error.


#1 

Woods makes the claim the tribulation is for Israel and not the church. 
He uses Jeremiah 30:7 as his proof text. 
Alas! for that day is great, so that none is like it: it is even the time of Jacob's trouble, but he shall be saved out of it. Jeremiah 30:7

Indeed, Israel will go through much tribulation in the last days but it is NOT just for them. 


Fact: No bible verses tell us the tribulation is for Israel only. 


First we now know there is no Jew or Gentile; we are all one in Christ per Paul. Galatians 3:28 


Next we can read about what will happen on earth and Jesus says this in Matthew 24:



For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.
22 And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.
Jesus says unless those days be shortened NO flesh will remain. Does that sound regional or global tribulation to you?
Lastly, we can look to Revelation for more evidence against Woods idea it is for Israel only. 
Revelation 13:7 says this:
And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations.
8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.
Again does that sound like a regional tribulation or a global one?
Of course it speaks of a world anti christ leader causing GLOBAL tribulation... so Woods is wrong per God's Word on point #1. 
The tribulation is a global happening not a regional one over just Israel.

#2 
Woods makes the very weak claim there is no word church/ekklesia used after chapter 4 of Revelation so they must be gone. (This is called a word concept fallacy.)
This is a VERY weak claim as if you study the topic you will find MANY books of the New Testament bible that never or rarely mention the word church, but the truth is there for and about His body, amen?  
Example: Paul mentions the word church once in Galatians then not again in 6 chapters. Is Galatians for all of Christ's body? Of course it is.

Using Woods flawed word concept theology:
These books listed below NEVER mention the word church:
Mark, Luke, John 2, Timothy, Titus 1 Peter, 2 Peter, 1 John, 2 John and Jude
SO ....they are not for and about the church/ekklesia? That is VERY faulty bible study. 

Interestingly the word church is NOT even in the rapture verses ( 1 Thessalonians 4 and John 14 ) So do we conclude the taking away/rapture is NOT for the church? Again that is very flawed bible study but they must use it to make their man made theology work for a pre trib rapture. 
Lastly, the word saint is used 59 times in the NT word and it always means a member of Christ true body. Pre tribbers try to say the saints mentioned in Revelation are a "different class of saints" and this is a lie. Revelation 13 clearly shows satan persecutes the saints but pre tribbers make up a special class of saints to make their theology work. Again it is a lie!
Saints are present in the tribulation ( see Rev 13 ) and so the church/ekklesia is also in the tribulation. 
Woods is clearly wrong on point #2 per God's Word....

#3 
Woods makes the claim the church is exempt from God's wrath so it has to be taken out. 
On the point of the church not taking God's Wrath; we agree. But Woods is wrong as he says the church must be removed in the tribulation to avoid God's wrath. If you study the tribulation period the worst of God's wrath does not come till at the end of the tribulation period and even the church being here; it does not not incur God's wrath. 
Fact: Much of the tribulation is Satan persecuting the saints along with Israel.
Also, if you look at Noah and the Ark, The Jews in Egypt and Lot in Sodom; they were all God's people that were here ( not taken out ) during the wrath that came from God. The Lord protected them. For Woods to say the church MUST be gone to avoid God's wrath in the tribulation is a lie that scripture does not support! God can keep His people through His wrath as He did before in the past. 

#4  
Andy Woods like many false pre trib teachers has fallen for the "doctrine of imminence" .
This is the man made doctrine that says the Lord can come ANYTIME so the pre trib rapture has to be true! 
He uses the following scriptures to "so called" prove this theology:
Be ye also patient; stablish your hearts: for the coming of the Lord draweth nigh.
James 5:8
So that ye come behind in no gift; waiting for the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ:
1 Cor 1:7
 For our conversation is in heaven; from whence also we look for the Saviour, the Lord Jesus Christ:
Philippians 3:20
Do you read anywhere in these verses a "doctrine of imminence" / the Lords return NOW or do they just state the Lord is going to return? There is no evidence of an immediate return. The pre tribbers must make this up to help their ill theology work.
Apostle Paul tells us when the taking up/rapture will be and it is very clear!
Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,
52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
1 Corinthians 15
It is at the LAST trump; at the end of the tribulation not at the beginning of it. 
So again Andy Woods is also WRONG on the doctrine of imminence! 

Also .... I have a question for Andy:

If Christ could have returned at ANY time ( per Andy Woods and pre tribbers ) could Christ have returned BEFORE the book of Revelation was even penned in 95 AD, BEFORE the prophecy of Peters execution by Christ and BEFORE Paul preached in Rome also predicted by Jesus?

If not, when did your ill doctrine of imminence really start Andy?

It is a big more recent lie of man!

#5 
Woods argues here that we MUST have a pre trib rapture or believers have NO comfort in the future! He says how can you have joy knowing you will go through tribulation? 
This is honestly a silly and quite lame reason to trust in a pre trib rapture for two main reasons. 
First; it it is NOT supported by scripture anywhere. Pre tribbers offer no scripture to support this point.
Second; we as believers have comfort in Christ knowing no matter what we face, He is faithful and able to help us thru it even unto death. 
In fact: Jesus tells us we WILL have much tribulation in John 16:33
These things I have spoken unto you, that in me ye might have peace. In the world ye shall have tribulation: but be of good cheer; I have overcome the world.
So in a way Woods is calling Jesus a liar as Christ says we are to have comfort even through tribulation but Andy Woods says: how can we have comfort in tribulation! 
If we are set on Christ we are over comers, so clearly men like Woods are NOT looking at the biblical Christ but a "get out of tribulation for free coupon" via their man made doctrine. 
Woods is very wrong here as well...even contradicting Christ Himself.

#6 
On this point Woods says the restrainer mentioned in 2 Thessalonians 2:6 is taken away so that means the church is gone also during tribulation. He makes the case the restrainer is the holy spirit. Note: This is NOT proven with scripture but only speculation to make their pre trib theory work. If this is true and the Holy Spirit is now gone off the earth then what/who is the comforter for those saints that are in the tribulation time and those who come to know Christ during the time of tribulation? Will they be void of a Holy Spirit? How are they convicted of their sin and shown truth without the Holy Spirit? This makes no sense at all. 
Woods goes so far to say this unbiblical statement:
"the presense of the Christians is holding back satan on earth"
Not one place in scripture teaches this folks, and it is MORE man made up dribble to make their ill way work. 
Note: we do not know who the restrainer is for sure but; we do know this: God was able to restrain the devil against Job, then He then allowed satan to torment Job (via His Word/Will) so clearly God can restrain satan as He pleases at His will. Also God created the entire world via His Word.
So why will it be any different in the tribulation time? His Word and His timing will rule!!! 
Woods and pre tribbers are wrong here once again.

#7 Finally Woods uses symbol parallels... another faulty thought process to aid their pre trib cause.

He uses verses on Noah and Lot in Sodom ( 2 Peter 2 and Luke 17 ) to say God took His righteous people out prior to His wrath coming. 
Again, a simple study of these situations shows God removed them from the area and effects of His wrath. (Lots wife in fact suffered God's wrath didn't she?)  He did NOT take them out of the world at all. Again Woods ideas/theology go directly against Jesus Christ own prayer. 
Jesus Christ prayed this:
I pray not that thou shouldest take them out of the world, but that thou shouldest keep them from the evil.
John 17:15

In closing....
If we look back at the 7 reasons you should trust in a pre trib rapture per Andy Woods, you will see they are VERY weak at best and NOT rooted in Holy scripture. The truth is much twisting has to happen to get to their theology. 

Remember we showed you Paul saying the rapture is at the final trump in 1 Corinthians 15? This alone destroys the pre trib ideas. 

We leave you with this also:

Jesus Christ gave the signs of His return in Matthew 24 and He said this:
Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.
 ( Christ comes for the elect AFTER the tribulation )
 Do NOT be deceived by the pre trib rapture lie that is made of man.
We believe the pre trib theology is a plot to deceive and make people unprepared to go through tribulation for the Lord. (Satan is a angel of light and very wise!)

God's Word is true and He is able to deliver His people from and through the great tribulation to come. 

 Remember; Jesus also said in Matt 24; those who endure to the end will be saved.

We hope you are one of those enduring saints. 


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