Spirit and Truth Discernment: Refuting a Man Rejecting Biblical Clothing

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The following is an email from a man about biblical dress (long loose plain tunic garments) as he was rejecting it saying it is not biblical to teach it. For the record; I met him out witnessing, I camped at his homestead once and talked to him so I know his ways and theology in person.

Note: this man is over 50, has been involved in evangelicalism, NAR IHOP Mike Bickel and Hebrew Roots for over 30 years and he was recently defending heresy like Adam was clothed in light before they sinned???? and surfing with wet suits for godly saints. I only state this so we know his history and his bent to understand his ill viewpoint. His home is also a feminist mess with his wife rebelling to not submit to him (she even left for a season) yet he tries to teach on bible truth? We tried to love and help them but we got attacked. It is clear Titus 1 says he is not qualified to teach but that is another topic and all of this has been told to him direct so it is not gossip.

As a teaching moment here; me and a brother shed some light n his very unbiblical views on clothing for men / ladies. Note: he even mentioned libel and slander for just sharing this email with a brother to help him discern for truth. This is a wicked man so I have parted from him over this / other biblical issues and we pray he repents to the saving of this soul. Note: no full names are used here so it is not gossip or an attack but it is a teaching moment. (he knows who he is)

See his words in black below; then a refuting with ***** by mine and a brothers words in blue)

Let it be a edifying learning moment for us all.....

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Brother James, So far … I see your points.

*****Brother Jim’s point is...God put us in long loose tunics in Genesis 3:21...all the holy men of the bible wore form-covering garments and we will wear such garments in heaven. The world decided that they want to clothe themselves differently. Should we compromise and adapt to the world in their rebellion against God’s order, or should we stick fast to God? So you saw this point...that the tunic is a part of God’s order because of our sin...you took it well you say...and yet now you are making cases against it in this email? Isn’t that hypocritical?

We teach what is clearly taught in the Holy Word. That man fell, tried to cover himself but God shed blood ... a archetype of Jesus... and covered His creation as He wanted it cover in a tunic like garment. It never changed and all godly men wore it to honor God and cover the temple into the NT Word.

Covering the Form is righteous.

*****Then why aren’t you and others doing the righteous thing and covering your form?

We would simply ask why dont people cover their temples as God ordained vs following the culture in pride and vanity? God was very picky about His temple and covering in the OT and Jesus made the way for those who obey Him. Heb 5:9

YHWH started the practice in the garden of Eden (or possibly just outside the Gates).

**** If you would study close, you would see God indeed did it IN the garden. God sends them out in verse 23 after He clothed them in tunics in Genesis 3.

Being naked is not biblical—it is shameful

****Yes walking around naked is shameful and the point of the clothing is to hide our nakedness as a symbol of the spiritual clothing hiding our sin. Showing off body parts and forms is a form of nakedness. From the garden, we know what God considers as nakedness. Anything less then a form-covering long loose tunic or robe garment is a type of nakedness. Man was showing his body parts off and God said no and He covered them. How can you miss this?

Without Gods act how can we tell or instruct anyone in biblical dress? You follow the culture we choose Gods Word. It is very clear that God acted and He dictated the garment we should wear. We have NO authority to change His high holy ways do we? That is rebellion and witchcraft / 1 Sam 1

(throughout Old and New Testament). So is dressing like a harlot.

*****“Dressing modestly is commanded.”

I think you are refering to 1 Tim 2:9? Women are told to dress in orderly, flowing robes and to cast down pride and vanity. But how would you know what a harlot is unless we apply Gods standards? Notice the word modest means neat and orderly. You can have a neat and orderly bikini or muscle shirt but it finishes with..... apparel and that is a... robe! You cant deny what the Word says.

Dressing modestly is commanded. Men have an equal and just call to lead the way in modesty and correct dress.

*******Since man is the head of the woman, 1 Cor 11 he is supposed to be an example just like Jesus is an example for His body, the church. So men, like women, should not adorn themselves with pride and vanity and should cover their forms, just like a woman should. Woman are told to wear robes in 1 Tm 2:9 and men were doing it all along since Adam so we should be the examples 1 Peter 5 to ladies today. You mean you get to show off your private parts but they have to cover theirs? How hypocritical is that we ask?

These are all valid and teachable points. Also, Yeshua wore a robe. As was the customary dress.

****It’s what God ordained, not just a customary dress and Jesus was an example of a perfect man that we should all follow. You cant lean on customary dress as God did it in Genesis for all of mankind and it never changed. I sent you the audio that shows tunics and robes all through the OT and NT Word and in heaven even. You have be to blind or bent on rebellion to miss it. Which one are you sir? God ordained many things and this article covers a few of them:

http://spiritandtruthdiscernment.blogspot.com/2018/02/are-todays-weddings-and-marriages.html

Yes. It is immodest to dress worldly and to incite lust and evil thoughts.

****It’s certainly not orderly, sober-minded, humble and meek. It’s prideful to do so.

Without Gods Word how can you know what is worldly and lustful? The culture changes and Paul warns about being like it. Romans 12:2 And we obey God. To dress another way even if it is not inciting lust is still sin. We are to obey not rebel.

And We will receive a robe of righteousness from Him. A white robe. And much more …

*******Exactly, so when did the God’s dress code change then?

The simple question needs to be answered. God dressed us and when in scripture did it ever change? Your email showed no evidence of a change but you ignore the Holy Word to stay like the culture. That is sinful and rebellious and not the fruit of the Spirit. Eph 5:9 says truth and righteousness and righteousness is the fruit!

I believe you have good insight and are bringing righteous awareness to a subject that has a powerful impact on Biblical Living. James, But … when do you (should you, or should you not) turn an insight and into a doctrine or into a commandment, or a requirement, or law?

*****The Holy Ghost guides us into all truth. James didn’t give us any new commandments, requirements nor laws, but he simply told us what’s in the bible…The dress that God ordained in the garden never changed, it’s simply men that decided they want to dress differently. So it’s a clash of wills and flesh over spirit...there is God’s will and ordinance and then there is human rebellion and ignorance. Nowhere are we told to prefer man’s ways over God’s ways nor to adapt to the culture to be approved of men. God hates what the world esteems Luke 16:15 and the world esteems fashion and pride in clothing. We are to obey God rather then men and are in fact commanded NOT to learn the ways of the nations (Jeremiah 10:2). James is simply following God’s ways as documented in the bible, not caring about the culture, and he doesn’t want any compromise in his own walk as little leaven... leavens the whole lump. Gal 5:9

It is NOT a insight... it is right in scripture clear ordained ways for all who seek truth vs pride and vanity.

Where do you draw the line? When do you know you have fallen into a ditch on the other side of the road? (Using your analogy.)

***** We are in a ditch when our teaching does not match scripture. God dressed us in Genesis 3 and it never changed so I am not in a ditch but in the truth. You are in the ditch of the fallen culture making its own way and Proverbs says that leads to Death. Prov 14;12 / Kill your pride and dress biblical if you are born of God?

“Therefore ... It is one thing to have an insight, to be blessed with understanding and seek to live it out faithfully and righteously your specific body of believers choosing a standard that all in your own groups are willing to participate in …”

What all groups, what specific body? There is only one group and one body, of Christ per Paul. And we choose God’s standard...there is no cherry picking nor adding or removing from to and from God’s word. We should pick God’s standard and let men do as they please. When a person receives an insight or knowledge concerning the scriptures, it is a light that should be shared with everyone. In this case, James learned how God wants us to be clothed and he is acting according to God’s will and telling people that they too, should act according to God’s will and clothe their temples as God has ordained. Jesus said you are a friend f you obey. John 15:14 There is only one body ... per Paul and we are to be fully united in doctrine 1 Cor 1:10 ... what you call insight is God ordaining His ways for His creation. You are far out on a limb and in great danger on this and other heresy you teach or believe!

If it is a commandment from Yeshua or the Apostles it will be clearly stated and there will be precedent, right? They did this to avoid false controversy and to intercept false new doctrines being introduced to confuse and divide the body.

****** God ordained it right after creation and marriage and it never changed. All godly men obeyed and covered in a tunic or robe. Paul and Jesus and all the disciples did it and we are to model them per 1 Cor 11 so why dont you desire that? Like marriage there was no issue on this way as godly people then covered up their bodies to honor God.

… but it is another thing to forcefully use your insight that is intended to be a blessing (and possibly an enrichment to the Body of Yeshua from Word of God) into a club to bludgeon others who don’t have your insight?

*****Oh yeah insights concerning God’s word are a blessing to those who actually obey it, but a curse to those who do not, because they have no more cloak for their sin, because they are aware of it now and choosing to be stiff-necked. Who is the body of Yeshua?

Again, James “insight” is simply what’s written in the bible. He is sharing it with everyone so they have the insight as well. its Gods ordained ways! You can reject his words but you can’t reject what’s written in the bible. And to use harsh words to switch the topic. A club??? It is Gods ordained ways and Jesus said teaching them to OBEY all He commanded. Matt 28:20 that is all I do. We do keep the pre torah law and NT word is what we obey..... why are you rebelling if you claim Him? Could it be your feminized wife and family will not receive you well if you dress different. Are we to please God or man? Acts ;29

Correct me if I am wrong, but … Correction, Rebuke, Exhortation, and Training in Righteousness all have different emphases, right? Each has a specific application. Then one must decide which approach to take to further a teaching and blessing found in the scriptures. Should it be mandated? Voluntary? Or kept personal?

******When someone refuses to obey Gods ways .. we are to discipline them as in 1 cor 5 /Matt 18. Paul said a little sin is not good. Gal 5:9 / If it is ordained in the Word for today we are to OBEY it. What part of that are you not grasping? You cant pick and choose what to keep Thomas.... go back to Sunday church for that false way but t be of God means walking in is ways not the cultures! 1 John 2;15 to love the world is not loving God.

If there is sufficient evidence mandating a way of behaving or doing things may be called for? Especially if Paul, Peter, James, or John command it. If not then, it should likely be relegated to a Voluntary issue and be treated in that way. To do more would push the pale over an edge that the Word does not support.

They didn’t command us not to play video games but we know we shouldn’t play them anyway, because we aren’t redeeming the time and are exposing ourselves to much filthiness as well...We are not keeping ourselves unspotted from the world and it’s a worldly thing to dress as the culture when God ordained otherwise.. Paul did command the woman how to dress 1 Tim 2 and godly men and Jesus ...always wore a robe or tunic as you admitted. This shows how void you are of discernment. There are so many sins the NT word does not mention in our current culture but; we can discern by the Word and spirit that is good pure and true. Phil 4:8 / If you reject the Genesis 3 tunic verse... you have to reject marriage between a man and woman as that was Genesis 2.

Here is How I see it in scripture as it now stands. Exposing and Rebuking a Pastor for wearing Pants and a Shirt … Where can we find that precedent in Scripture? or for wearing a hat (when not praying)? Yes, there is the argument we should be praying all the time, but for the moment let’s put that tangent to the side.

*****It says praying or prophesying. Teaching/reading scripture is a form of prophesying. If we shouldn’t wear a hat at those times then neither should we wear a hat at other times, if we don’t need it. (cold weather needs of course) Otherwise it’s pride and vanity. First, there was NO need to rebuke men on clothing as they all wore a robe of tunic. And you argue from silence here: We do not see any rebuke for sex changes then either as it was not a issue was it? And as my brother said.... to talk of Gods truth with your head covered is sinful per 1 Cor 11 and Paul. I pray you study more. (dump the surfing and idle time/pets .....study more... 2 Tim 2:15)

Correct me if I am wrong, but I have not found it in chapter or verse. If you have please show it to me and that will settle it. If that is not present, what is present?

**** I doubt that the pastors clothing was a issue then as they all covered up. . We have a description of what a teacher should be like all over the scripture in both the new and the old testament. Holy is one requirement and that requires proper clothing of the temple. One thing a teacher of the Word should NOT be is rebellious towards God...as he is there to teach the Lord’s sheep. If the teacher was true and born again, he would have the Holy Spirit which would guide him into all truth and he would. John 14

Paul did teach ladies to war a robe 1 Tim 2:9 and as I said... the men were already in robes and tunics. Stop arguing from silence and OBEY what God has done if you are born again. I have to wonder at this point frankly if you are born of God?

Case in point: How to rightly and possibly wrong deal with a scriptural insight that is not mainstream and is exampled in the Scripture.

******We should continue studying to show ourselves approved unto God...apply the scriptures in your life and seek God dilligently. He will eventually reveal unto you whether your insight is false or true as He isn’t a God of confusion. If it’s true then you apply it and then share it with others, if it’s false then you learned something which can be misinterpreted and can help clear the matter up for others. Mainstream or not doesn’t matter, as we know only a very small amount will be seeking or found worthy of the kingdom of God anyway by a saving faith, and there will be almost no faith left on earth in the last days. Jesus said FEW will enter in. Obeying is fruit you are on the path to life. To be like the world is to be Gods enemy. James 4:4 ...repent as you are in grave danger denying the clear Word.

The Pharisees had an insight and a devotion to tithing mint, dill, and their herbs and spices (apparently not everyone was doing that). Yeshua had no problem with their doing so. Though he didn’t make it a requirement, expostulate it in a message, or call it a commandment in his own teaching— as far as I know, Yeshua didn’t rebuke them for tithing mint either, but he did rebuke them for ignoring some weightier matters …

******Wearing a tunic has no meaning at all, if your heart isn’t right with God. See 2 cor 5:17

Your outside appearance reflects your heart...your humility and shame-facedness and fear of God. That’s why James says that people should repent first and only then be told about the clothing...repentance is a weightier matter but the matter of clothing shouldn’t be left undone either as it’s an ordinance of God. If you’re leaving it undone then you are either fleshly, prideful, a coward, or unbelieving and none of these will ever be in the kingdom of God. And note: tithing was Gods command not a pharisee idea! Jesus was exposing their hypocrisy ....doing some of the law and not it all. You will be guilty of this if you try to preach to others as you ignore your temple dress per Gods command in Genesis 3. God hates hypocrites....

Matthew 23:23-24 (KJV) 23 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone. 24 Ye blind guides, which strain at a gnat, and swallow a camel.

**** Jesus was just exposing their hypocrisy...this has NOTHING to do with dress does it? See Matt 23

Yet the Phariees turned their insight into a doctrine, but by doing so they lost focus on what truly mattered to Yeshua.

*****The main sins of the pharisees was hypocrisy. They were saying one thing and performing another. They were prideful and selfish and were looking for their own gain. They did not have an honest and a humble heart. And it was not their INSIGHT... that was Torah law ... tithing. You are speaking of what you know not.

They mandated doctrine lifestyle gave the Pharisees and we are better than you kind of position. They higher standard of tithing was intended to set themselves up as a Higher standard of Righteousness, but that backfired when they met the true standard of Righteous standing before them.

**** You need to study more ... they were to tithe.. they were hypocrites NOT doing all of the law and adding to Gods ways ( Mark 7 ) like you are doing with cultural dress vs Gods standard. Repent will you

Isn’t that what the Pharisees did and do? Turned a righteous insight into a doctrine, and then a commandment? Like hand washing. Cleaning pots, healing on the Sabbath, tithing mint, not eating with drunkards, prostitutes, tax collectors, and sinners? (On the surface all good things—but at the same time the interrupted the real Righteousness of God. The righteousness that Yeshua came to bring them … HIMSELF.

*****Those weren’t insights, some were torah law and others were man-made traditions that have nothing to do with God’s word. And man-made traditions void your worship of God per Jesus’ words. Mark 7 / Stop blurring the issue... we have a clear pattern of dress from creation by God Himself ( a archetype of Jesus with blood shed mind you ) and you still ignore it to your wicked shame! God say to obey His commands...Tithing was biblical then See Malachi

When we see a new standard in scripture … Where do we draw the line? And whose precedent are we going to choose to follow?

******When the scriptures tell you to do something (in context for today) then you do it. No more no less. You use the context and the situation. How long have you been a believer and you still dont see that we OBEY what God did for us today. Jesus said if you love me obey John 14:15 / The bible says we must kill our flesh. Try dressing biblical vs the culture and your flesh will die. You have been feeding your flesh for decades have you not addmited that to me?

If anyone in the NT was rebuked by one of the Apostles for not wearing a “proper robe or garment or clothing”, then yes, we have Biblical Precedent to call others out and expose them for living un-biblically.

**** We have the clear teaching and men were already dressed that way. The culture today is so fleshly pride filled and vain. Dont you realize if you were dressed as you do today back in Pauls day.... they would have laughed you out of the body! Repent sir, have a saving faith and obey the Word to the saving of your soul. Luke 13:3

Yes, we have that precedent in Corinth. Paul did rebuke the church for not following proper dress, attitude, and understanding of biblical authority among the women in the church. They were apparently loud and disruptive, feminized women usurping authority (although they could have done all this with proper clothing and attire). They were apparently not modest and didn’t cover their heads, they (certain women) apparently wanted to step into the authority role of leadership over men. As a result, they received a strict rebuke, and were given some rather unpleasant and somewhat humiliating guidelines, if they didn’t want to cover their heads, they should cut off their hair. Something they were likely not wanting to do, so accepting a head covering was surely the lesser of two evils for them. And that probably helped them to comply with the Apostolic teaching.

***** 1 Cor 11 has NOTHING to do with biblical dress for men today. Stop blurring the issues here. (Note: your house in not in order as your wife does not ever cover so you need more study time. )

In this case I do see anything regarding Paul’s concern about the length of their dress, but more so about the style: Modest Apparel. Have more need to study and look up specifics and the greek text, and definitions, etc.

****Modest apparel means something along the lines of: Orderly flowing robes. Just after that, it’s mentioned that their clothes shouldn’t be adorned either nor expensive. 1 Peter 3 says it too. Robes and tunics that cover the form and privates, its not hard to grasp if you are leaning toward God, not the flesh or culture. You would be thrown out of a first century body if you wore your current dress and wet suits!

It is strange that Paul issued no rebuke to the men’s apparel in Corinth that I can tell …

*****Men dressing unbiblically was not an issue in Corinth, so there was no need for any corrections concerning that matter. The men all wore robes and tunics or Paul would have rebuked them...( he rebuked a lazy man in 2 Thess 3) why wont you dress biblical you?

Are you afraid your wife, culture and family will reject you more. It is a sin to fear men / women more then God! Rev 21:8 ... cowards wont inherit eternal life. Forget your argument from silence ...repent and OBEY what God did in Genesis 3!

1 Corinthians 11:2-16 (NKJV) Head Coverings 2 Now I praise you, brethren, that you remember me in all things and keep the traditions just as I delivered them to you. 3 But I want you to know that the head of every man is Christ, the head of woman is man, and the head of Christ is God. 4 Every man praying or prophesying, having his head covered, dishonors his head. 5 But every Page 3 of 10 woman who prays or prophesies with her head uncovered dishonors her head, for that is one and the same as if her head were shaved. 6 For if a woman is not covered, let her also be shorn. But if it is shameful for a woman to be shorn or shaved, let her be covered. 7 For a man indeed ought not to cover his head, since he is the image and glory of God; but woman is the glory of man. 8 For man is not from woman, but woman from man. 9 Nor was man created for the woman, but woman for the man. 10 For this reason the woman ought to have a symbol of authority on her head, because of the angels. 11 Nevertheless, neither is man independent of woman, nor woman independent of man, in the Lord. 12 For as woman came from man, even so man also comes through woman; but all things are from God. 13 Judge among yourselves. Is it proper for a woman to pray to God with her head uncovered? 14 Does not even nature itself teach you that if a man has long hair, it is a dishonor to him? 15 But if a woman has long hair, it is a glory to her; for her hair is given to her for a covering. 16 But if anyone seems to be contentious, we have no such custom, nor do the churches of God.

***** 1 Cor 11 has nothing to do with you NOT obeying God in Genesis 3 stop blurring the issue!

If there is no precedent, then : Are we not acting on our own authority? Under our own special revelation? the very same thing we rightly preach against that others are doing? (—NAR, Denominations, Churchianity, etc.)

*****We do have a precedent and it’s God’s word...That God corrected Adam and Eve in the garden of Eden and made them robes/tunics (the word is the same word for the tunics that the priests wore) of skin and the Prophets then Jesus and disciples. We have all the people that wore robes in tunics after Adam and Eve as well as proof of that very same correction through the NT word ...So we do have a precedent. Amen my brother said it well. You are taking away from Gods word and Deut / Rev 22 warns about that... you could lose your soul over that!

Also Paul teaches (we could say commands) Timothy to: 1 Timothy 5:1-2 Do not rebuke an older man harshly, but exhort him as if he were your father. Treat younger men as brothers, 2 older women as mothers, and younger women as sisters, with absolute purity.

**** what does this have to do with biblical dress you are rebelling against it? Besides per you those are just insights ...not commands right? How foolish....

Timothy was called to minister the Word with righteous patience. Anyone who wants to be a teacher must know the difference and draw the line righteously between what requires a rebuke, an exhortation, a correction or a training issue.

In this case...With the precedent of the correction in the garden and of all of the examples of clothing in the scripture, if someone kept refusing to wear biblical clothing and claimed to be a Christian, they would need teaching, a correction and a rebuke...if they do not repent because of the correction/ they are put out. And if they go against sound doctrine, it is fitting to loose oneself from them as they are leaven which may leaven the whole lump if we stick with them. Read Matt 18 and 1 Cor 5 we are to judge the body.

This commandment has strong Biblical precedent—under the subject heading of Patience. Titus 2:1-2 You, however, must teach what is appropriate to sound doctrine. 2 Teach the older men to be temperate, worthy of respect, selfcontrolled, and sound in faith, in love and in endurance. (Note the absence of tunic dressing.) 2 Timothy 4:2-3 (KJV) 2 Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all longsuffering and doctrine. 3 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;

***** Yes that time is today. You and most all of those who claim Jesus have itchy ears and do not obey fully. Show me one verse that says have patience with those in SIN? 1 Tim 5:20 says call out sin publically. And does this mean all the sins they did not mention we can do them now? How foolish and heretical.

If the length of a shirt or whether it needs to be tucked in our let out is in question, and is worthy of rebuke—should we not have strong precedent?

Again... that culture was all wearing things that hid their forms. Your wife, you and your family would all be considered sinful and naked ...sinfully dressed per Pauls day. Have you not considered how far the culture is from Gods truth and holiness today? Without holiness you wont see God Heb 12:14

It’s not what we wear alone, but the heart that comes along with our action, that is worthy of a rebuke. (carnal fleshly ways get rebuke) Those who refuse to obey God / wear biblical dress/tunics are usually cowardly, prideful, vain and/or unbelieving and a rebuke and a correction is for the salvation of their soul if for anything...It is loving. Proverbs says it is good to give a rebuke and a wise man likes it!

So if that is the case, show the precedent. Below is a precedent that splashes some water on the heat that one must have a robe in a certain length.

Stop your arguing from silence ... it is all you have but it doesnt fly!

You can wear a shirt that’s only down to your chest around too with shorts...But it’s not biblical or fitting. In those days, people wore tunics/robes but there was still a difference between different tunics and robes...Some were cheaper, some more expensive. Some prettier and prideful...others plain and humble. Wide and long robes were probably glorious to behold but there were still not-so-glorious tunics around as well. No one godly wore what you and the culture wear today.. they obeyed God then not the flesh. 1 Peter 1 :15 says be set apart /holy...that includes dressing for God.

Luk 20:46 Beware of the scribes, which desire to walk in long robes, and love greetings in the markets, and the highest seats in the synagogues, and the chief rooms at feasts; James, Personally, I see the advantages of wearing a knee length robe (or garment, or tunic, or vesture, or clothing).

****They wore things that kings wore.... robes to the ground ....for show. Jesus is NOT knocking down robes...He wore one as did all his disciples prophets and priests.!!! Study better as your argument is very weak. It’s not about advantages or disadvantages. It’s about obeying God and His ordinance...that’s all there is to it really. Read the context... the Pharisees wanted honor and glory. This is our temple correct clothing MATTERS! Enough so... God Himself made it for us.

Jesus had a robe on as they traded for his garments himation ... that tunis or robe as the killed him. Matt 27:3

I would not say anything against it. I see numerous good reasons for it. But I would draw the line here. I would not mandate it, for myself or others because the Biblical Text requires that I do so. I do not see that to be the case.

Nobody is mandating anything but God is ...James is simply keeping the leaven out of his life lest he too ends up leavened by it. And he’s warning people about what God said concerning all of these things...But God is the one who judges and mandates things. However, we are to judge in the body, and to mandate righteousness. Why else do you think that Paul cast out the adulterer out of the body in Corinth, and even scolded the Corinthians for not casting him out and he rebuked laziness too? I mean ...God killed a couple for one lie Acts 5 so we stand on all truth and reject all sin. We would not unite to worldly people who ignore Gods words and ways. It is why you are I cant unite today...... repent and obey.

The Biblical text does talk about it, but it doesn’t mandate the dress code except for the Priest ministering in the Temple.

****** No sir... God dressed mankind at creation and the entire bible shows it. You are being heretical and rebellious! Paul warns of those who are contentious against the truth. Romans 2;8

There are many requirements that we no longer follow because we are no longer under the requirements of keeping the law. For example: Most of our clothing is made with more that one kind of thread. This is forbidden in the Law of Moses. Even if we are wearing a 100% cotton shirt there still may be some polyester stitching in it. Our sock may be made of cotton, but they usually have some kind of elastic thread in them. Same with our underwear. If I wear to mandate tunic wearing as a requirement of Biblical Obedience. I would also have to mandate no elastic in my underwear and none in my Page 5 of 10 socks, and would not be able to wear a jacket with a zipper or pants with a zipper because strictly speaking the would be a secondary material. So where do I draw the line? and under whose authority do I have a right to draw the line? I know I do not want to be know in the Gospel as the sock police or the underwear police.

*** Oh you are plain wrong here ... and you keep showing how void of good study you are. Torah law was not in place in Genesis 3 .... it shows up after Exodus 15 / we do keep some pre torah ways like marriage, tunic dress and no blood eating Genesis 9. We do not keep torah law today! Study more... your looking foolish and I want better for you. You need to humble yourself and see you are not a teacher but are full of false doctrine from your false/idle ways over the decades ( like "light for clothing" you taught / IHOP Mike Bickle associations / Hebrew roots / watered down gospels etc in the past and other false ways )

I would see that as being a hinderance rather than a powerful influence in bringing spiritually dead men into becoming living souls, alive with the Spirit, born again, by the power from on High. Therefore, I see the Biblical issue of wearing a tunic as a preference.

***** You see God acting Himself and dressing man and all godly men and Jesus OBEYING it as a preference???? What if Adam and ve ripped ofr the tunics and put the leaf aprons back on. That ok with you too? Repent of this false way...

I also see that this could easily be an issue of contention and division, that does not need to be … the enemy loves to divide and conquer.

**** Paul uses the word contenious for those who wont obey.... like you. It is sinful to not obey what God ordained! See 1 Cor 11 / satan uses the flesh and pride to divide also... you ok with that as you are doing it here?

Wisdom would be to do and say what Yeshua and the Apostles did and said to do.

**** Are you NOT aware that is was Yeshua.... that dressed man in the garden? Study more you lack much. He is the Creator / see John 1

And for this reason, I would caution you, as a Brother in Christ (and even a heretical one, by your definition), that you would allow the Word to guide your words and actions regarding dress, and not over spiritualize, or raise an issue to a level of priority that the Word does not specify or endorse.

**** I am unsure about you being a brother to me? My brothers OBEY and I do let the Word guide them. I have thousands of biblical articles (His glory not mine) and I was waiting for you to offer a biblical refuitng on any of them vs this very weak rebellious email. See Matt 4;4.... I live by every word. You have failed in a bad way here.

And be careful and gentle and patient with those whom you first being expose to your insight and understanding. I would caution not calling them rebellious or heretic about a none regulated issue.

**** Stop with the non regulated lies ... now your are blaspheming the Holy Word!!! You tell me to not call out dress then why are you calling out your wife's raging feminism? Sin is sin isnt it.....? You are the man who said he could still surf... and said you could wear a tunic over your wet suit. You have far better things to do then surf...like study the Word to be holy and biblical. You dent the truth in unrighteousness. 2 Thess 2:10

That would only weaken your position to address other more severe and more vital issues of deception and spiritual danger. How you present it to others will also have a strong effect on your final objective and outcome of bringing lost souls into living repentance and a genuine faith In Christ living in the Kingdom of God.

**** I have been teaching and traveling to preach the gospel full time in the streets for years. You have done little and have not preached the gospel (per your own words to me) and you offer me advice? You are a novice in truth.... Titus 1 warns of this. and you think one instruction of God like dress does not matter to obey? Really... go ask Eve about a fruit they should not eat that took the world into sin and the fall!

The Word admonishes us to present our teaching in the way God commands, careful always to submit our ways unto Him. At this time, I don’t see this (wearing a tunic) as a primary strong scriptural priority in having fellowship with others.

****You are blind to the commands of God in many ways .... why should you see this command. Like the beggar in hell and they told him your brothers will not listen as they denied the word of God. See Luke 1;31 You are in grave danger in many areas of your life, not just dress. I pray you repent.

If it was such an urgent high priority why was it not addressed at the Council of Jerusalem. Acts 15. It easily could have been added then. Of course you could respond well that’s an argument from silence. And I would have to agree, but that point goes both ways.

**** They all dressed with robes and tunics... you are dressing like a worldly carnal man as I once did. You cant please God in the flesh Romans 8:8 / No need to address it then as it was not a sin issue then. They did not address homosexuality, gluttony, stealing beastiality, or many things/sins then either..... did they? That is a very weak and lame argument. We have the Word ....obey it due to a saving faith in Christ or perish in your sins.

And I believe there are some very practical common sense, even biblical reasons for that—for it not to be a high priority. Especially where ministry is done in foreign countries among primitive and poverty stricken cultures. I will withhold my comments further until after completing a thorough review of the topic of dress. One last point: For church fellowship between Jews and Gentiles we have the following emphases three times repeated. Acts 15:19-21 “It is my judgment, therefore, that we should not make it difficult for the Gentiles who are turning to God. 20 Instead we should write to them, telling them to: 1—abstain from food polluted by idols, 2—from sexual immorality, 3—from the meat of strangled animals 4—and from blood. 21 For the law of Moses has been preached in every city from the earliest times and is read in the synagogues on every Sabbath.” Acts 15:28-29 It seemed good to the Holy Spirit and to us not to burden you with anything beyond the following requirements: 29 You are to abstain from food sacrificed to idols, from blood, from the meat of strangled animals and from sexual immorality. You will do well to avoid these things. Farewell. Acts 21:25 But concerning the Gentiles who have believed, we wrote, having decided that they should abstain from meat sacrificed to idols and from blood and from what is strangled and from fornication.” There is strong precedent for the above 4 regulations. With the admonition: “You will do well to avoid these things.” Please note the tone, and emphasis. Three repetitions make a strong emphasis.You will do well … is not over the top commanding but calling on the humble to learn and receive from a humble and no doubt powerful and spiritually alive body of Christ—doing their best to lift up the Gospel and in the midst of murderous persecutors all around.

**** all 4 of those things were already covered in Genesis and they are commands. Like no blood eating... see Genesis 9 / but you call them what... suggestions? That is heretical. Your hiding in your flesh and smearing Gods truth. I wont stand for it .... I have learned if a man wont dress for God he also will not fully live for him or die for Him and he cannot be trusted. Yes clothing matters so much.... GOD DID IT FOR US HIMSELF!!!! See Genesis 3:21

And BTW—you have your own right to make it a requirement for others to join your group—as a sign of solidarity or something …

**** No man has the authority to separate people on man made ways. See Mark 7 ...and I do not do that.Biblical dress it all over the bible for those born of the spirit to see it.

yet it would appear that is setting up something outside of the scripture , I would see this on the level of other preferences like what days you are going to decide as a group when you are going to meet, or decide on not having carpet in the building you

No sir... Romans 14 covers liberty issues like food and festivals.. Jew to gentile. There is NO liberty in dressing the temple like the world. You need to study from a good exegesis place not your twisted false way. We love you but from here with your total disregard for Holy Scripture and your other false ways, I cant walk with you or even say God Speed. See this article that you need on good study:

http://spiritandtruthdiscernment.blogspot.com/2014/02/how-to-correctly-study-bible-eisegesis.html

See this link with many articles on biblical dress:

http://spiritandtruthdiscernment.blogspot.com/search/label/Dress%20For%20Christian%20Men

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See Mathew 28:20

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