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Emailed Answered on Pre Tribulation Rapture

The following are some good questions asked by a saint via email and we agreed it would be best to answer them on my blog to edify the entire body of Christ. 
See the email in black and my answers in blue below:

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1) people keep saying that Jesus is coming as a thief (as I know the Bible does say a lot of times) Would you say that this is only for those who are not watching or ready? They say this means it is "imminent"...and without warning. They say we should be watching for Christ and not looking at or for any signs. What are your thoughts on that?

The doctrine of imminence has NO biblical basis at all. 
Here is a link to a article on it

The thief simply means not one of us know the day or the hour of His return. 
Scripture per Jesus tells us this:
"But of that day and hour no one knows, not even the angels of [a]heaven, but My Father only". Matt 24:36

We can know the season or the times as the disiciples asked Jesus in Matt 24 for the signs of His coming. But we cannot knw the exact timing. Imagine if I said to you I will be coming to your house in winter. You may look for that visit in winter but the day and hour you do not know amen? 
Read all of Matthew 24 in context and it is clear that Jesus gives them the sings to watch for then be ready as then He can come. 
See my article link below for more points on my the doctrine of imminence is NOT biblical.  

To say Jesus could have "returned at anytime" is foolish as that means anytime like..... before Revelation was even penned by John? I think not....


People say the parable of the virgins could mean that the 5 are taken in the rapture and the others have time to repent later...but when Christ says He didn't know them doesn't that mean there is NO second chance?

There is no evidence of that and they are twisting God's word here....
The big problem is they have made it into two different events. A pre trib rapture then Christs big return. Scripture NO WHERE teaches two events, just one after the tribulation. ( see Matt 24 / 1 Cor 15  and 1 Thess 4
  The virgins clearly are examples of saints born again, ready & living for and looking for Christ.. The 5 left out were NOT His and were not ready / living for Him and they miss out on salvation.  


What are your thoughts on the verses about "one being taken and the other left". Pre trib people say this means it is secret. 

Again if we discount the idea of a separate rapture ( God's Word never teaches it and it was NOT even thought of till about the 1800's with a man named Darby who started it ) the idea of a secret rapture just fades away. The verse about one taken and the other not is... the return of Christ. Paul mentions we are changed in a blink of a eye. 1 Cor 15;52 / There is one return at the end of the tribulation ( Matt 24 )  and there is NO secret rapture taught at all in scripture. 

Look at this verse....in Matt 24:31
And He will send His angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they will gather together His elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

When do we the elect get gathered? After the tribulation, at the last trumpet and at His return. It is very clear if we just read scripture vs running on man made theology.  


They were saying that the church has to be gone before God can again deal with Israel??? 

Not sure what basis they are saying this but there is NO biblical grounds to say God has to take out the church to deal with Israel? We know that the tribulation is GLOBAL and not just about Israel. Jesus says so in Matt 24 in fact unless he returns no life will survive. See verse 22
And unless those days were shortened, no flesh would be saved; but for the elect’s sake those days will be shortened. 

We are the elect and He is coming to get us AFTER the tribulation. 


And do you think that some parts of Jesus' prophecy in Matthew 24 were fulfilled in the destruction of Jerusalem? Some say that "the abomination of desolation" has been fulfilled in that. I don't really understand about what that could mean, but it does say that whoever reads is to understand...hmm, it's very hard to understand.

This is called Preterism.... the idea it has already happened but it is a faulty theology. Why? Lets read Matt 24
15 “Therefore when you see the ‘abomination of desolation,’ spoken of by Daniel the prophet, standing in the holy place” (whoever reads, let him understand), 16 “then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains. 17 Let him who is on the housetop not go down to take anything out of his house. 18 And let him who is in the field not go back to get his clothes. 19 But woe to those who are pregnant and to those who are nursing babies in those days! 20 And pray that your flight may not be in winter or on the Sabbath. 21 For then there will be great tribulation, such as has not been since the beginning of the world until this time, no, nor ever shall be. 22 And unless those days were shortened, no flesh would be saved; but for the elect’s sake those days will be shortened.

A clear reading of Matthew 24 shows the abomination of desolation happens when? Right before the tribulation right? Then Jesus says unless He returns no life will survive. Clearly the world did not go into that time back in 70 AD so it cant be true as He is not a liar. Read all the things that will happen in the last days and NONE of them have happened yet as He describes them. 

People use verses that say that God will not allow His people to suffer but will allow them to escape (in the rapture). 

Again this idea falls apart when we see NO secret rapture taught at all in the bible.
Also, look at the prophets and disciples of God. All of them were allowed and asked to go through MUCH tribulation even torture and death. Why do saints today think we should escape it all? Did Jesus say this: 
In the world you will have tribulation; but be of good cheer, I have overcome the world.” John 16;33 
If we read the bible from Genesis to Revelation, the idea that God would not ask His people to suffer persecution and tribulation is a plain silly for anyone to claim. 
This is a HUGE flaw in pre trib theology and it is dangerous as people will not be prepared to suffer as they think they will be wisked away, not so!
Jesus even asked the Father not take them out of the world but to keep them!

Read Rev 6:11
And white robes were given unto every one of them; and it was said unto them, that they should rest yet for a little season, until their fellowservants also and their brethren, that should be killed as they were, should be fulfilled.

Who says God will not allow His saints to suffer death?

But would you say there is also an equal number of verses saying that God will keep us safe through trials (and ultimately our souls are safe in Him)? 

The bible is full of promises of Him being with us NOT Him promising to take us out of any suffering or persecution or death. You can find many wonderful verses indeed like.... Matt 28:20
Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen.
But Jesus also told us to be ready to be hated and give our life for His name. See Matthew 10
A big issue most miss is in the tribulation, we will not suffer Gods wrath, no. We will suffer satan's wrath... for Christ's name. See Rev 13;7
It was granted to him to make war with the saints and to overcome them. And authority was given him over every tribe, tongue, and nation.

I know you said in your articles that the saints will suffer satan's wrath, but  people will say that the rapture has to happen because God will not be angry at us.

God is not going to pour wrath on His people, no. But look how he poured wrath on Egypt all the time the Jews were right there none were touched. Look how he called Lot out of Sodom safely. See how He sustained Noah through the wrath. The book of Revelation talks about Gods judgments on the world and they are not aimed at the body of Christ but the rebellious world. 
Rev 9 tells us who is being judged by Gods wrath
 And the rest of the men which were not killed by these plagues yet repented not of the works of their hands, that they should not worship devils, and idols of gold, and silver, and brass, and stone, and of wood: which neither can see, nor hear, nor walk: Neither repented they of their murders, nor of their sorceries, nor of their fornication, nor of their thefts.
Those are not saints amen?
A sniper in war shoots at only the bad guys, his aim is true and he does not intend to hit the good. Gods aim is far better then mans an His wrath will hit those he deems.... amen? 

What about a book called Things to Come by J Dwight Pentecost. 

Mr Pentecost was a evangelical false teacher who among other things kept pagan Christmas, Easter and he had a false gospel to eternal life. He was also on staff at the very unbibilical Dallas Theological Seminary that was the birth place of MANY false hersy teachings and false teachers over the past decades. He indeed taught  pre trib rapture that God's word does NOT teach thus he was deceiving people. 

I hope these answers will edify you into the truth of Gods Word and the future to come!

See this article where I did a refuting of a pre trib teacher and it has various areas that echo what I have said above:

It is my prayer that true saints get ready for the tribulation as the world is headed right into it and seemingly fast. 

Repent and obey the gospel and fear nothing or no one but the Lord. 

The fear of the LORD is the beginning of wisdom, And the knowledge of the Holy One is understanding.
Proverbs 9:10

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Corona Virus, Human Suffering and Pre Tribulation Lies







As the Corona scare goes on with NO end of sight, I wanted to quickly touch on an important future subject. 

Many evangelical Christians are banking on this topic, but to their great demise. As I see the virus event rising, I realize how fragile mankind really is and the suffering that will come at the hands of pestilences and evil men. We see it in the past and it will be greatly magnified in the future! If the bible is true (and it is indeed!) there is going to be GREAT suffering on earth with most of the earth's population killed off before Jesus returns in the clouds. Not a pretty picture so you need to be ready spiritually to ENDURE in the faith even to death, just as Jesus taught in Matt 10 and Matt 24

The lie of a PRE - TRIBULATION rapture was conceived several centuries ago by a false man named Darby. He taught that a pre trib rapture was coming to save all the Christians from tribulation / suffering. He promised that God would spare them from suffering in the great tribulation and it is nothing but a LIE! He developed a theology of Jesus coming and "taking up the saints in a secret rapture" and then again Jesus returns at the end of tribulation. Sounds warm and cozy but the problem is, Holy scripture teaches NO such thing. 

Both Apostle Paul and Jesus tell us when He is coming back and it is at the END of the great tribulation. 1 Cor 15 / Matt 24  
I have articles here that walk you through the bibles truth vs these false teachers of today. Do not be deceived by them!

https://spiritandtruthdiscernment.blogspot.com/search/label/1%20Last%20Days%20Tribulation%20and%20Jesus%20Return


Some facts / myths and observations about this pre trib event that has caused all the confusion, mostly via their false theology:

1) The idea of a pre trib rapture in history about Darby's time in the late 1800's. 

2) The unbiblical Left Behind book series by heretic Tim LaHaye made it main stream and helped spread the lies all over the globe. 

3) God always had His true saints go through persecution / trials and tribulation unto death for His glory and display of power! 
Tell the Prophets and Apostles/disciples that God will always rapture out His true saints. They all died and were tortured for the faith. So why do evangelicals think they are special to get out of the earth before it gets really heated and the anti-christ hunting them down?

4) Saints will NOT suffer God's wrath on earth, no. We will suffer satan's wrath on earth ( he makes war with the saints Rev 13:7 )  then God judges the world then Christ returns. Scripture is clear on that read it for yourself. 

5) I think pre trib is satan's plan and ploy to have people NOT ready to endure unto death for Christ. Most will fold when they think they missed a secret rapture. How clever of our evil adversary and he knows most are not born of God, so it is a sad situation to come!

If you study it all out, you will see there is no pre trib rapture coming for you. All born again saints will go through the tribulation with many dying as martyr's for the faith and name of Christ. Many will no doubt turn away and be lost by taking the beasts mark to just survive. see Rev 13 / 14 



** Here is a common death machine we may have to face in the tribulation. Are you ready to lose this life for Christ?

I think it is fitting and good we suffer and die if need be. See Jesus died for us to secure our eternal home so why can't we suffer and die to go be with Him? As you ponder the corona scare and where the world is going, stop thinking you are getting a free ticket out of tribulation that is coming. That is just feeding your carnal side and self preservation. We cannot stop what is coming, men, nor are we told to fight against it. But we can be ready to face it boldly and be strong in the faith; not be lukewarm Rev 21:8 cowards who will NOT see heaven due to fear! 

I am here to help you get going and be ready biblically!
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Heb 3:13-14 
 But exhort one another daily, while it is called To day; lest any of you be hardened through the deceitfulness of sin.  For we are made partakers of Christ, if we hold the beginning of our confidence stedfast unto the end;


Repent, be born again by His spirit and be ready for the suffering death and His return to come. The Word of God has warned us for 2000 years so please know, you will have NO excuse to not be ready! God's Word is true and these false pastors and book sellers telling you that you will get a rapture out ahead of time, they are just hirelings and workers of satan!

See the gospel below and follow Christ in spirit/truth, unto your death! Do not fear a virus, No, fear the One True Holy Living God!!!!

2 Thess 1
And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels, In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ: Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power;

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